There are so many things that bother me about this whole uproar.
And in no particular order, but since this seems to have all boiled down to the cost of contraception for Ms. Fluke, what in the world are they using at Georgetown that costs $3000 a year? That’s $250 a month! What kind of birth control are these students using?
Ms. Fluke testified that Georgetown does not subsidize their insurance for health care. It is something they pay for on their own. If that is the case, don’t buy health care offered through your Catholic university! Find another insurance company that meets your needs.
And if this was on behalf of women that can’t afford birth control, there ARE places where women may go for assistance. Planned Parenthood would have assisted the women cited in Fluke’s speech because they couldn’t afford the birth control pills needed for health issues and not for contraception. And a woman was raped and decided not to go to the emergency room or seek a doctor because it wouldn’t be covered under her insurance. Seriously?? And these are Georgetown law students!
If you are attending a Catholic University, you owe it to yourself to be informed of the limitations you would experience due to Catholic beliefs. Ms Fluke testified that “we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health”. My mama used to say, “you made your bed, now lie in it”.
What this uproar really does is change the focus to a young college student and Rush Limbaugh and away from Obama pushing his Socialist agenda by starting with the Catholic Church and pushing aside their beliefs and that comes to the heart of Freedom of Religion.
And for the record, I think Rush was so wrong and way out of line and he needs to quiet himself. There were so many other great ways he could have approached this.
More of the hypocrisy of “I am a victim” mentality so popular today and a bad example for being a strong and independent woman…while simultaneously asking and needing someone to look after her.
She may think she is a strong and independent woman, but what is lacking is resourcefulness. That’s doing all that you can to take care of yourself. And
there are other resources available in this still wonderful country of ours beyond
asking the Catholic Church to look the other way on their firm religious beliefs.
Interesting blog. Loaded with irony nonethless. I suppose that comes from the anvil. By the way, love the black and white photos to the right. And thanks for noticing Shadows.
I think its true that you can’t have your cake and eat it too. With equal rights come equal duties and responsibilities. The Catholic Church, like it or not, has never waivered from its stand on birth control. If someone doesn’t know that by now then.., well I’ll keep it polite… There are many, many options available to women who want contraception. Many many of them at little or no cost. Of course there’s always something to be said for the most old fashioned method of all – the “just say no’ method. But I digress. Anyway – Why are these young women not on their parent’s health care plans? They can be until age 26. Heck, even grad students could still qualify with that cutoff number. I would also like to mention that, in the long run – its much cheaper to fund contraception than it is to pay for raising a multitude of children whose parents cannot afford to care for them without said government assistance… but I guess that’s a whole ‘nother issue. Thanks for stopping by on my site. I’ll definitely be checking back here. Best, Donna
First, let me say contraception is not only used for sexual entertainment (aka pregnancy prevention) but also for many dire medical conditions. Contraception is used to treat endometriosis, polysystic ovarian syndrome and hormone related issues to name a few. I wonder what the cost of having a tennis ball size cyst surgically removed from an ovary is? Oh, and the hospital stay and don’t forget the hormone replacement therapy needed after the patients ovaries are no longer functioning.
Second, while it is true that Wal-Mart, and Target, do have a generic form of birth control available for $9 the same prescription costs $33 at CVS. I am sure everyone would love to get the “blue light special pills”. However, it is unfortunate that the same pill does not work for everyone. There are sometimes medial issues or side effects that prevent us all from taking that one medication. USA Today reports that birth control pills can range from $9 – $90 a month.
Ms Fluke is not suggesting the Government should pay for her contraception. She is asking that as part of the Affordable Care Act the Insurance companies provide it. Although if Ms Fluke should accidentally get pregnant and have to drop out of college she would no longer need an insurance company. The Government would then pay for ALL of Ms. Flukes medical care. From the delivery of her baby, all of her doctor visits and future child’s doctor visits and both of their prescription (welfare recipients don’t pay co-pays). Not to mention the welfare, food stamp and subsidized housing she would now be eligible for. Now that is a financial analysis I would like to see. I may not be an engineer, but I do know greater than and less than.
My last thought… How is it that contraception is not covered by some insurance companies and Viagra is. Imagine the flow of e-mails, the controversy, what Rush Limbaugh and all the other “limp-dicks” would do if they were no longer able to get laid or have quickies. They may as well move to the Sahara desert because they would be all dried up.
Smart, smart woman (assumption). I think we could be best friends haha. Ditto to your comments. You said everything I would have liked to and more. Bravo!
With due respect, Ms. Fluke is suggesting that the Catholic Church which self insures should provide her with birth control (something that they are ideologically at odds with) at the end of the Federal Government’s “gun”.
The medical necessity argument is also fallacious, since insurers will generally cover needed treatments. In addition, if Ms. Fluke found herself in a situation where her needs weren’t met by the program or system because of philosophical issues, you would think she would instead attend school where she was a better fit or perhaps toddle down to Planned Parenthood. If she couldn’t afford her needed medication, perhaps her family, friends or immediate community could help her with that issue?
Out of curiosity, when did medication, health care or even treatment for that matter become a “right”? All of these are either products or services that are either delivered at a cost or by the labor of another. What entitles one person to the labor or product of another person’s labor through the force of government, exactly, and do we really want the Federal Government to be dictating that “person A” must provide “person B” with whatever “person B” or a third party deems a “need”? I’m not sure that when taken to it’s logical conclusion that ends so well.
Simply because something that may benefit you exists, it does not entitle you to that product or service by virtue of your existence; nor does it entitle you to use force to obtain it, even if your life depends on it. I know this seems completely incredible to some people.
My process is to use my own labor and the capital derived from it (post taxes of course) to meet my needs first, to prepare for eventualities second, and my wants and luxuries last. It seems this process is turned on it’s head by current attitude. Others are demanded to provide what is deemed excess labor and capital to provide for the needs of others so that their labor and capital can be used for wants. After all we don’t want anyone suffering the discomfort or inconvenience of their situation, to be responsible for their own behavior, or to have a “hard” life. I guess I am going about things the wrong way!
Finally, there is no power extended to the Federal Government by the rule of law contained in the U.S. Constitution and it’s Amendments for any of these demands and mandates anyway. That is not to say that much of what the Federal Government does is not outside the scope of its Constitutional authority, but that is another discussion.
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There are so many things that bother me about this whole uproar.
And in no particular order, but since this seems to have all boiled down to the cost of contraception for Ms. Fluke, what in the world are they using at Georgetown that costs $3000 a year? That’s $250 a month! What kind of birth control are these students using?
Ms. Fluke testified that Georgetown does not subsidize their insurance for health care. It is something they pay for on their own. If that is the case, don’t buy health care offered through your Catholic university! Find another insurance company that meets your needs.
And if this was on behalf of women that can’t afford birth control, there ARE places where women may go for assistance. Planned Parenthood would have assisted the women cited in Fluke’s speech because they couldn’t afford the birth control pills needed for health issues and not for contraception. And a woman was raped and decided not to go to the emergency room or seek a doctor because it wouldn’t be covered under her insurance. Seriously?? And these are Georgetown law students!
If you are attending a Catholic University, you owe it to yourself to be informed of the limitations you would experience due to Catholic beliefs. Ms Fluke testified that “we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health”. My mama used to say, “you made your bed, now lie in it”.
What this uproar really does is change the focus to a young college student and Rush Limbaugh and away from Obama pushing his Socialist agenda by starting with the Catholic Church and pushing aside their beliefs and that comes to the heart of Freedom of Religion.
And for the record, I think Rush was so wrong and way out of line and he needs to quiet himself. There were so many other great ways he could have approached this.
March 7, 2012 at 6:52 pm
PJ,
Said well and well said.
More of the hypocrisy of “I am a victim” mentality so popular today and a bad example for being a strong and independent woman…while simultaneously asking and needing someone to look after her.
March 7, 2012 at 7:04 pm
She may think she is a strong and independent woman, but what is lacking is resourcefulness. That’s doing all that you can to take care of yourself. And
there are other resources available in this still wonderful country of ours beyond
asking the Catholic Church to look the other way on their firm religious beliefs.
March 7, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Interesting blog. Loaded with irony nonethless. I suppose that comes from the anvil. By the way, love the black and white photos to the right. And thanks for noticing Shadows.
April 23, 2012 at 9:50 pm
I think its true that you can’t have your cake and eat it too. With equal rights come equal duties and responsibilities. The Catholic Church, like it or not, has never waivered from its stand on birth control. If someone doesn’t know that by now then.., well I’ll keep it polite… There are many, many options available to women who want contraception. Many many of them at little or no cost. Of course there’s always something to be said for the most old fashioned method of all – the “just say no’ method. But I digress. Anyway – Why are these young women not on their parent’s health care plans? They can be until age 26. Heck, even grad students could still qualify with that cutoff number. I would also like to mention that, in the long run – its much cheaper to fund contraception than it is to pay for raising a multitude of children whose parents cannot afford to care for them without said government assistance… but I guess that’s a whole ‘nother issue. Thanks for stopping by on my site. I’ll definitely be checking back here. Best, Donna
May 4, 2012 at 5:17 pm
First, let me say contraception is not only used for sexual entertainment (aka pregnancy prevention) but also for many dire medical conditions. Contraception is used to treat endometriosis, polysystic ovarian syndrome and hormone related issues to name a few. I wonder what the cost of having a tennis ball size cyst surgically removed from an ovary is? Oh, and the hospital stay and don’t forget the hormone replacement therapy needed after the patients ovaries are no longer functioning.
Second, while it is true that Wal-Mart, and Target, do have a generic form of birth control available for $9 the same prescription costs $33 at CVS. I am sure everyone would love to get the “blue light special pills”. However, it is unfortunate that the same pill does not work for everyone. There are sometimes medial issues or side effects that prevent us all from taking that one medication. USA Today reports that birth control pills can range from $9 – $90 a month.
Ms Fluke is not suggesting the Government should pay for her contraception. She is asking that as part of the Affordable Care Act the Insurance companies provide it. Although if Ms Fluke should accidentally get pregnant and have to drop out of college she would no longer need an insurance company. The Government would then pay for ALL of Ms. Flukes medical care. From the delivery of her baby, all of her doctor visits and future child’s doctor visits and both of their prescription (welfare recipients don’t pay co-pays). Not to mention the welfare, food stamp and subsidized housing she would now be eligible for. Now that is a financial analysis I would like to see. I may not be an engineer, but I do know greater than and less than.
My last thought… How is it that contraception is not covered by some insurance companies and Viagra is. Imagine the flow of e-mails, the controversy, what Rush Limbaugh and all the other “limp-dicks” would do if they were no longer able to get laid or have quickies. They may as well move to the Sahara desert because they would be all dried up.
May 7, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Smart, smart woman (assumption). I think we could be best friends haha. Ditto to your comments. You said everything I would have liked to and more. Bravo!
November 16, 2012 at 3:16 pm
PS: LOVE the pictures
May 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm
With due respect, Ms. Fluke is suggesting that the Catholic Church which self insures should provide her with birth control (something that they are ideologically at odds with) at the end of the Federal Government’s “gun”.
The medical necessity argument is also fallacious, since insurers will generally cover needed treatments. In addition, if Ms. Fluke found herself in a situation where her needs weren’t met by the program or system because of philosophical issues, you would think she would instead attend school where she was a better fit or perhaps toddle down to Planned Parenthood. If she couldn’t afford her needed medication, perhaps her family, friends or immediate community could help her with that issue?
Out of curiosity, when did medication, health care or even treatment for that matter become a “right”? All of these are either products or services that are either delivered at a cost or by the labor of another. What entitles one person to the labor or product of another person’s labor through the force of government, exactly, and do we really want the Federal Government to be dictating that “person A” must provide “person B” with whatever “person B” or a third party deems a “need”? I’m not sure that when taken to it’s logical conclusion that ends so well.
Simply because something that may benefit you exists, it does not entitle you to that product or service by virtue of your existence; nor does it entitle you to use force to obtain it, even if your life depends on it. I know this seems completely incredible to some people.
My process is to use my own labor and the capital derived from it (post taxes of course) to meet my needs first, to prepare for eventualities second, and my wants and luxuries last. It seems this process is turned on it’s head by current attitude. Others are demanded to provide what is deemed excess labor and capital to provide for the needs of others so that their labor and capital can be used for wants. After all we don’t want anyone suffering the discomfort or inconvenience of their situation, to be responsible for their own behavior, or to have a “hard” life. I guess I am going about things the wrong way!
Finally, there is no power extended to the Federal Government by the rule of law contained in the U.S. Constitution and it’s Amendments for any of these demands and mandates anyway. That is not to say that much of what the Federal Government does is not outside the scope of its Constitutional authority, but that is another discussion.
Love the photos, BTW.
May 29, 2012 at 3:08 am